actually that has nothing to do with the JW framework, every notable christian denomination has this ransom teaching about adam and this goes back to at least irenäus, so it's one of christianitys oldest ideas. not only JWs have crazy talk.
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TRULY... !!!!!
by Marvin Shilmer inin both question and statement form, one word thats overused to the point of nausea is truly.
- is that truly the case?
got new for whoever is asking; either that is the case or that is not the case.
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verily, verily
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Are you a genius?
by jam inin ten seconds count the f,s.
don,t cheat.. finished files are the re.
sult of years of scienti.
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alright, i somehow didn't count the Fs in OF.
but i got a computer!
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Is there an excuse to Hate?
by Terry ini ask this question rather seriously.. you quickly learn us vs them and which is which.. then you learn that it is them who will die.
and not just die!
they'll be cut down in the streets with blood running in the gutters!.
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what's wrong with hate? hate and love, two sides of the same coin... the problem is that people, including me, forgot how to hate properly. i'd love to hate, but i somehow can't.
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Atheists V Creationists ... FACE OFF
by snare&racket inwe should set 3 topics.
1. creation and evolution (origins of life).
2. religion.
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we could also discuss the influence of the catholic church on the cultivation and production of beer.
“It is my design to die in the brew house; let ale be placed in my mouth when I am expiring, that when the choirs of angels come, they may say, “Be God propitious to this drinker.” – St. Columbanus, A.D. 612
if i'd believe, i'd be catholic for sure ;)
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Let's stop beating around the bush. We all know the REAL REASON for the tensions between Atheists and Believers . . .
by nicolaou inatheists are just waay cooler!
we're funnier, sexier and more beautiful.
deal with it you theist losers!
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and we got NewChapter!
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i always pray to myself. most of the time it's inappropriate things though...
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Live, and Let Live!
by SophieG inhey lovely, people!.
well, i think my family is going to leave me alone.
as long as i shut it and dont rock their boat, i think i will be able to keep the ties.
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sophieg, i'm pretty much at the same spot. works quite well. after all the JWs are not the only nutters out there. but i know how it's like to keep the mouth shut when the JW talk starts... grab some beer and everything's fine.
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Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?
by Chariklo inuntil recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.
it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.
do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.
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chariklo, i'm sorry, but this is not about a language barrier. i live in europe as well, and my first language isn't english (not even my second language, but wth), still, the common definition of atheism is simply not believing in any god. in the UK as well as in the US or anywhere else.
and opposed to what CA said, there are different flavors of atheism. there's "strong" atheism and there's "weak" atheism. a "strong" atheist would say "no god exists" while a "weak" atheist says "i don't believe that a god exists". this is getting mixed up, because some gods can be proven to not exist (such as the common god of the bible or quran), while other made up gods can't be proven to not exist. so most people (including christians and other believers) are strong atheists in some hindsight. but talking generally, most atheists are in the "weak" category. that is: if compelling evidence that (a) god exists is provided, they'd change their view, but as long as no evidence whatsoever exists, they won't believe in such a thing.
agnosticism is a whole different animal. theism/atheism is about believing or not believing. gnosticism/agnosticism is about being able to know or not. an agnostic says: i don't think one can know god. many atheists are agnostics as well. but you might be a believer and be an agnostic as well. this is a whole different story.
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i like the baltar447's prayer. anyway, if i were god, i wouldn't call for prayers. what's the purpose anyway? can't he read minds?